Reward Points Values

aaronjh said:

admin said:

Everytime I look at this I laugh.

"I think we should get points for being mediocre."...says Jeremy

I'll take points for mediocrity. You guys don't like each other, I observe.

Its not that I dislike Jeremy. I think hes a nice enough guy. I just have never ever seen someone comment on things, or observe things from such a selfish perspective. Like this thread for example. He wants points for rebuilding? Cause hes in a constant state of rebuild? Less points for winning, since he cant seem to win? More points for activity, but not necessarily writing articles apparently(since that only gives 20 points), maybe activity points for not trading? Or activity points for not returning peoples IMs? It just doesnt make sense.

Also, I hear countless times where Jeremy, when he rarely does do trade talk, will come in with low ball offers, and talk them up like theyre awesome. He seems to have a extreme lack of good judgment when it comes to valuing his players compared to those on other teams.

Its just a combination that makes for a mediocre to bad sim league GM.

[Lakers GM]

admin said:

aaronjh said:

I'll take points for mediocrity. You guys don't like each other, I observe.

Its not that I dislike Jeremy. I think hes a nice enough guy. I just have never ever seen someone comment on things, or observe things from such a selfish perspective. Like this thread for example. He wants points for rebuilding? Cause hes in a constant state of rebuild? Less points for winning, since he cant seem to win? More points for activity, but not necessarily writing articles apparently(since that only gives 20 points), maybe activity points for not trading? Or activity points for not returning peoples IMs? It just doesnt make sense.

Also, I hear countless times where Jeremy, when he rarely does do trade talk, will come in with low ball offers, and talk them up like theyre awesome. He seems to have a extreme lack of good judgment when it comes to valuing his players compared to those on other teams.

Its just a combination that makes for a mediocre to bad sim league GM.

When we do the whole young vs. old(er) BBS basketball game, you guys are gonna be teammates. Can't wait.

[Lumley316kings]

Yes but they will have me as the team leader bringing all the older gms together as a unite.

[Thunder]

lumley316kings said:

Yes but they will have me as the team leader bringing all the older gms together as a unite.

I'm scared.

[SoonerfanTU]

admin said:

Its not that I dislike Jeremy. I think hes a nice enough guy. I just have never ever seen someone comment on things, or observe things from such a selfish perspective. Like this thread for example. He wants points for rebuilding? Cause hes in a constant state of rebuild? Less points for winning, since he cant seem to win? More points for activity, but not necessarily writing articles apparently(since that only gives 20 points), maybe activity points for not trading? Or activity points for not returning peoples IMs? It just doesnt make sense.

Also, I hear countless times where Jeremy, when he rarely does do trade talk, will come in with low ball offers, and talk them up like theyre awesome. He seems to have a extreme lack of good judgment when it comes to valuing his players compared to those on other teams.

Its just a combination that makes for a mediocre to bad sim league GM.

Tell you what Spence, I'll start running every trade offer I get by you. Maybe then you'll get off my back, and quit taking the word(s) of a bunch of 16 year old kids. THEY are the ones that come to me with bullshit offers. I don't have as much free time as half the people on this board, b/c I'm out of school, and I have a real job, and a life. Those are the facts. When somebody wants to offer me their 3rd string PG for my starting PF, I'm probably gonna turn that down. When they want to offer me a guard that won't even start for me and only strengthens my plethora of guards, and leaves me with 2 decent inside guys, I'm gonna turn it down.

As for being selfish, couldn't disagree more. I just don't understand how rewarding the best teams with a way to easily improve their teams is good for the league. You end up in the situation we are pretty much in now, a couple of perenially great teams, a couple of other teams a notch below, and a bunch of teams that have trouble getting anywhere. IMO, and maybe I see things differently, I think a good league is one that is super balanced. One that makes it hard to stay on top, and easier to get back into the mix if you have a down year. For a comparison, look at APBL. I hate the way that league is set up (and mind you, I've probably got the 2nd/3rd best team in that league since its inception). One team has won 5 of 7 (I think) Championships. The same 10 teams make the playoffs every year. It is nearly impossible for a bad team to ever get better. Not saying the BBS is in that bad of shape, b/c it isn't, but the point stands. You are giving the highest reward points to teams that simply don't need them.

Also, I don't "not return" IM's, and I've never said that points should be rewarded for inactivity. I have no problem with giving out points for articles, posts, etc. I just don't understand giving out "big points" to teams that are already winning, simply for winning. You always "make up" how you want to interpret my statements though, like you did with the "points for being mediocre" statement. You KNOW that is not what I'm saying.

[djmyte]

soonerfantu said:

admin said:

Its not that I dislike Jeremy. I think hes a nice enough guy. I just have never ever seen someone comment on things, or observe things from such a selfish perspective. Like this thread for example. He wants points for rebuilding? Cause hes in a constant state of rebuild? Less points for winning, since he cant seem to win? More points for activity, but not necessarily writing articles apparently(since that only gives 20 points), maybe activity points for not trading? Or activity points for not returning peoples IMs? It just doesnt make sense.

Also, I hear countless times where Jeremy, when he rarely does do trade talk, will come in with low ball offers, and talk them up like theyre awesome. He seems to have a extreme lack of good judgment when it comes to valuing his players compared to those on other teams.

Its just a combination that makes for a mediocre to bad sim league GM.

Tell you what Spence, I'll start running every trade offer I get by you. Maybe then you'll get off my back, and quit taking the word(s) of a bunch of 16 year old kids. THEY are the ones that come to me with bullshit offers. I don't have as much free time as half the people on this board, b/c I'm out of school, and I have a real job, and a life. Those are the facts. When somebody wants to offer me their 3rd string PG for my starting PF, I'm probably gonna turn that down. When they want to offer me a guard that won't even start for me and only strengthens my plethora of guards, and leaves me with 2 decent inside guys, I'm gonna turn it down.

As for being selfish, couldn't disagree more. I just don't understand how rewarding the best teams with a way to easily improve their teams is good for the league. You end up in the situation we are pretty much in now, a couple of perenially great teams, a couple of other teams a notch below, and a bunch of teams that have trouble getting anywhere. IMO, and maybe I see things differently, I think a good league is one that is super balanced. One that makes it hard to stay on top, and easier to get back into the mix if you have a down year. For a comparison, look at APBL. I hate the way that league is set up (and mind you, I've probably got the 2nd/3rd best team in that league since its inception). One team has won 5 of 7 (I think) Championships. The same 10 teams make the playoffs every year. It is nearly impossible for a bad team to ever get better. Not saying the BBS is in that bad of shape, b/c it isn't, but the point stands. You are giving the highest reward points to teams that simply don't need them.

Also, I don't "not return" IM's, and I've never said that points should be rewarded for inactivity. I have no problem with giving out points for articles, posts, etc. I just don't understand giving out "big points" to teams that are already winning, simply for winning. You always "make up" how you want to interpret my statements though, like you did with the "points for being mediocre" statement. You KNOW that is not what I'm saying.

You do realize you could have spent the 10-15mins it took writing this response on something more productive, like an article to gain reward points to help improve your team...

Not a diss, just an observation.

[GMHornets]

Maybe then you'll get off my back, and quit taking the word(s) of a bunch of 16 year old kids.

--

Hah, too many responses for this one.

[SoonerfanTU]

djmyte said:

soonerfantu said:

Tell you what Spence, I'll start running every trade offer I get by you. Maybe then you'll get off my back, and quit taking the word(s) of a bunch of 16 year old kids. THEY are the ones that come to me with bullshit offers. I don't have as much free time as half the people on this board, b/c I'm out of school, and I have a real job, and a life. Those are the facts. When somebody wants to offer me their 3rd string PG for my starting PF, I'm probably gonna turn that down. When they want to offer me a guard that won't even start for me and only strengthens my plethora of guards, and leaves me with 2 decent inside guys, I'm gonna turn it down.

As for being selfish, couldn't disagree more. I just don't understand how rewarding the best teams with a way to easily improve their teams is good for the league. You end up in the situation we are pretty much in now, a couple of perenially great teams, a couple of other teams a notch below, and a bunch of teams that have trouble getting anywhere. IMO, and maybe I see things differently, I think a good league is one that is super balanced. One that makes it hard to stay on top, and easier to get back into the mix if you have a down year. For a comparison, look at APBL. I hate the way that league is set up (and mind you, I've probably got the 2nd/3rd best team in that league since its inception). One team has won 5 of 7 (I think) Championships. The same 10 teams make the playoffs every year. It is nearly impossible for a bad team to ever get better. Not saying the BBS is in that bad of shape, b/c it isn't, but the point stands. You are giving the highest reward points to teams that simply don't need them.

Also, I don't "not return" IM's, and I've never said that points should be rewarded for inactivity. I have no problem with giving out points for articles, posts, etc. I just don't understand giving out "big points" to teams that are already winning, simply for winning. You always "make up" how you want to interpret my statements though, like you did with the "points for being mediocre" statement. You KNOW that is not what I'm saying.

You do realize you could have spent the 10-15mins it took writing this response on something more productive, like an article to gain reward points to help improve your team...

Not a diss, just an observation.

Took closer to 5 mins, and I think that sticking up for myself is more important than a few points at this point. Thanks though.

[SpursGM]

I'm going to have to disagree on the whole that this ONLY strengthens the "big dogs" of this league even further.

Here's a few reasons as to why:

1) Me for example, there have been times I've missed the playoffs, I went two seasons without making the playoffs, but I've now made the playoffs the past 3, it's not hard to compete if you're active.

2)So, the strong teams get stronger. That's where the draft and FA now come in. You're a bad team, but you have a lottery pick, you land Jordan and sign Artest in the off-season bam you're an automatic contender. A "powerhouse" team will most likely NOT have any sort of cap space, and now with only ONE max offer available to a team, FA will be much better.

In other words, you're point is pretty off.

[krupimpski424]

soonerfantu said:

admin said:

Its not that I dislike Jeremy. I think hes a nice enough guy. I just have never ever seen someone comment on things, or observe things from such a selfish perspective. Like this thread for example. He wants points for rebuilding? Cause hes in a constant state of rebuild? Less points for winning, since he cant seem to win? More points for activity, but not necessarily writing articles apparently(since that only gives 20 points), maybe activity points for not trading? Or activity points for not returning peoples IMs? It just doesnt make sense.

Also, I hear countless times where Jeremy, when he rarely does do trade talk, will come in with low ball offers, and talk them up like theyre awesome. He seems to have a extreme lack of good judgment when it comes to valuing his players compared to those on other teams.

Its just a combination that makes for a mediocre to bad sim league GM.

Tell you what Spence, I'll start running every trade offer I get by you. Maybe then you'll get off my back, and quit taking the word(s) of a bunch of 16 year old kids. THEY are the ones that come to me with bullshit offers. I don't have as much free time as half the people on this board, b/c I'm out of school, and I have a real job, and a life. Those are the facts. When somebody wants to offer me their 3rd string PG for my starting PF, I'm probably gonna turn that down. When they want to offer me a guard that won't even start for me and only strengthens my plethora of guards, and leaves me with 2 decent inside guys, I'm gonna turn it down.

As for being selfish, couldn't disagree more. I just don't understand how rewarding the best teams with a way to easily improve their teams is good for the league. You end up in the situation we are pretty much in now, a couple of perenially great teams, a couple of other teams a notch below, and a bunch of teams that have trouble getting anywhere. IMO, and maybe I see things differently, I think a good league is one that is super balanced. One that makes it hard to stay on top, and easier to get back into the mix if you have a down year. For a comparison, look at APBL. I hate the way that league is set up (and mind you, I've probably got the 2nd/3rd best team in that league since its inception). One team has won 5 of 7 (I think) Championships. The same 10 teams make the playoffs every year. It is nearly impossible for a bad team to ever get better. Not saying the BBS is in that bad of shape, b/c it isn't, but the point stands. You are giving the highest reward points to teams that simply don't need them.

Also, I don't "not return" IM's, and I've never said that points should be rewarded for inactivity. I have no problem with giving out points for articles, posts, etc. I just don't understand giving out "big points" to teams that are already winning, simply for winning. You always "make up" how you want to interpret my statements though, like you did with the "points for being mediocre" statement. You KNOW that is not what I'm saying.

Aright I see his point about having a real job and maybe not having enough time as others might. Thats cool this shouldn't be a high priority in your life, I agree. When I IM you, sometimes you answer, sometimes you don't, others you respond "I'm at work and I'll get back to you later about it." Thats fine! but I personally think you do a horrible job about getting back to me about it. I remember last season Clevland sucked, worst team in the central. Loaf came in and just tweaked with the lineup a bit and they are awesome. Other teams have also created an identity for themselves. Boston and Lakers are clearing cap, Dallas has a youth movement, Seattle is playing for the 2013 draft, Indiana a win now mentality, and Lumley's identity is purely not to have one. I think you have tried but are struggling at creating your own identity. That is someting you need to fix. You have made some nice moves in getting Arenas, Miles, and Swift. I like the move of running an uptempo offense with your athletic team and you have tried several different lineups with no success. I think if you were a little more active in the trade market it might help you out finding that "Identity" in your team. If you don't have enough time to do that, then I think you should think about your place in BBS.

I agree get off his back a bit but you also have to realize you might want to get off the thin ice because sooner(fan) or later you might fall in.

[SoonerfanTU]

spursgm said:

Here's a few reasons as to why:

1) Me for example, there have been times I've missed the playoffs, I went two seasons without making the playoffs, but I've now made the playoffs the past 3, it's not hard to compete if you're active.

Not sure what your point is here? The rewards system is new to last year, so going back 3 seasons, and talking about the rewards system doesn't make much sense. You made the playoffs, big deal. I've finished tied for the last playoff spot in the East on two seperate occassions, doesn't mean my team is that good.

spursgm said:

2)So, the strong teams get stronger. That's where the draft and FA now come in. You're a bad team, but you have a lottery pick, you land Jordan and sign Artest in the off-season bam you're an automatic contender. A "powerhouse" team will most likely NOT have any sort of cap space, and now with only ONE max offer available to a team, FA will be much better.

Both take alot of luck. First of all, you have to do a total rebuild to have the kind of cap space to sign an Artest. He'll most likely reup with either the team he's currently on, or the one or two teams that can offer him a max deal. Most teams don't have that kind of cap space, and the ones that do are probably in need of more than just Artest to be a playoff team.

As for the draft, I agree, if you get a top 1, 2, maybe 3 pick, that helps. The past several drafts though haven't had much in the way of immediate, top notch talent after the top couple of guys. I've had some tough luck relating to drafts recently too, in that I definately haven't moved up, and in a couple of drafts, I've actually gotten bumped down a pick or two. It happens, but I haven't had the worst record in the league in a while, and as such, the draft hasn't helped me much. Doesn't help that out of the 3 big names I've drafted recently (Aldridge, Ellis, and Aleksandrov), I dealt off the one that ended up being for real, and held onto the two that just never developed. It happens, but again, thats just tough luck.

[Lumley316kings]

Lol my identity is to help others and have fun doing it on the way. Its all about making this sim enjoyable for others to take part in, I do use this sim to bullshti with you guys and crap bcoz I to am extremely busy with a family and real job, I use this to get away from that as you young gms will find out you will need to do later in live, and I do sometimes take out my rela life fustrations on my own team that is a given.

[SoonerfanTU]

krupimpski424 said:

Aright I see his point about having a real job and maybe not having enough time as others might. Thats cool this shouldn't be a high priority in your life, I agree. When I IM you, sometimes you answer, sometimes you don't, others you respond "I'm at work and I'll get back to you later about it." Thats fine! but I personally think you do a horrible job about getting back to me about it.

I'm not saying I don't have as much time (though I probably don't), I'm just saying that I can't sit around most days and shoot the shit. It really bothers me that YOU are saying I'm horrible about getting back to people, when I specifically remember 2-3 weeks ago taking the time to talk to you while at work, and us discussing the fact that I was at work. I've done a better job of going to away, or signing off altogether when I'm not going to be around. I bet I haven't let an IM go unresponded to in over 2 months from anybody on the board. This doesn't count me being away and someone leaving a message. If that happens, and they are online when I return, I reply. If they are offline, well, I try to catch them when they get on again, or wait for them to contact me when I'm around. This is what PM's and emails are for though.

krupimpski424 said:

I remember last season Clevland sucked, worst team in the central. Loaf came in and just tweaked with the lineup a bit and they are awesome. Other teams have also created an identity for themselves. Boston and Lakers are clearing cap, Dallas has a youth movement, Seattle is playing for the 2013 draft, Indiana a win now mentality, and Lumley's identity is purely not to have one. I think you have tried but are struggling at creating your own identity. That is someting you need to fix. .

That is like 5 teams. What about all the others that are pretty mediocre? Indiana got really lucky in the draft recently. Seattle's mentality definately isn't my style. If he doesn't get Jordan, he'll struggle. Boston and Lakers fine, but I don't want to totally rebuild yet. Like I said, lets talk about the other teams that are in the same position as I am. Alot of which probably don't even have the same talent level I do. As for an identity, I'm working towards one. Trying to improve my defense, and I'm going with outside shooting guards.

krupimpski424 said:

You have made some nice moves in getting Arenas, Miles, and Swift. I like the move of running an uptempo offense with your athletic team and you have tried several different lineups with no success. I think if you were a little more active in the trade market it might help you out finding that "Identity" in your team. If you don't have enough time to do that, then I think you should think about your place in BBS.

I have plenty of time. I just don't panic like some folks do. I search out the right deals. Am I difficult to trade with? Probably, but that is just the OCD in me. I'm a perfectionist, I want every deal to help me NOW. I don't trade just to move a guy. I also tend to give guys a chance to improve, I don't discard them the first time they struggle. As for the lineup moves I made this year, I made most of them trying to just play with settings and see what guys could do, while still not playing myself out of the loto once I realized the playoffs were out. Out one point, before the last 2-3 sims I think, I was 13-7 in my last 20 games. I think I've found something, but again, I've thought that the last few years (as of alot of the well respected owners in this league). Winning just hasn't happened yet.

krupimpski424 said:

I agree get off his back a bit but you also have to realize you might want to get off the thin ice because sooner(fan) or later you might fall in.

I don't have any problem being questioned. When Spence came to me a few months back, I wasn't being as active as I needed to be. That has been fixed though, and I've been "around" alot more. I have a plan, I have an idea of how to get it done, and I don't plan to vere off that path. My problem is it seems like when guys make offers that I turn down, they run to Spence and make stuff up. That pisses me off. Like I stated earlier, I don't think I've let an IM go unanswered in over two months. Same with PM's, yet I've had some that didn't get responded to. I didn't go run to Spence though.

[Benwallacedetroit3]

That is like 5 teams. What about all the others that are pretty mediocre? Indiana got really lucky in the draft recently. Seattle's mentality definately isn't my style. If he doesn't get Jordan, he'll struggle

Man I thought I had a nice rebuilding project going. Top 3 pick most likely this year and a good amount in '13 with a lot of good young guys? Seems I'm in pretty good shape...rather have that then aging veterans who are going no where but down.

[krupimpski424]

Hey man I was actually sticking up for you. Sometimes you are mia at the comp but who isn't? you are just more times than not..its not a big deal to me nor have I personally ever made a complaint about you. I said that I saw you were trying to make something with your uptempo offense and if you were more active in trying to get guys to fit that role maybe you would have more success. Another thing is that you pointed out that you have made the last playoff spot for two seasons and your draft picks haven't been that good. So why don't you trade your picks for some talent then? Or try to trade for picks that will be in that top 1,2,3 slots? Another thing is Seattle will not suck if they don't get Jordon. They have lebron and will be getting nique or worthy to go along side with MRR and some other good young talent so I wouldn't point any fingers towards him. You are waiting for the perfect deal is most likely your big problem. What do you think a GM is going to look you up and say hmm lets offer him a monster deal to help out his squad...no. How many times do you make contact with other gm's about deals? or try and find your perfect deal? Or how about making one deal in order to make another deal which could be your perfect deal? So I extend my hand telling people to get off your back and you extend your hand to slap mine. Alright then next time you mess with the bull...I'll give you the horns


oh yea congrats on talking to me while you were at work for 1 min which was 1 time out of about 100...Soonerfan for gm of the year! wooo hooo olay bitches

[Benderheart]

you know guys just cause christmas is over doesn't mean the christmas spirit has to end

[SoonerfanTU]

krupimpski424 said:

oh yea congrats on talking to me while you were at work for 1 min which was 1 time out of about 100...Soonerfan for gm of the year! wooo hooo olay bitches

We talked for about 30 mins, not that it matters to you.

Jeremy your fired. I dont even want to get into this with you again. You are the biggest negative influence on the league, and now youre gone.

There are so many things I could try and argue with Jermey about here, but in the end Im very happy with where the league is(and most of the other GMs are too) and Jeremy continues to complain. Im just sick of it. Im sick of excuses why your team isnt better, or why you arent more active. So its done. Youre gone.

[SoonerfanTU]

admin said:

There are so many things I could try and argue with Jermey about here, but in the end Im very happy with where the league is(and most of the other GMs are too) and Jeremy continues to complain. Im just sick of it. Im sick of excuses why your team isnt better, or why you arent more active. So its done. Youre gone.

Where am I complaining? I had a suggestion, voiced it, gave my reasons for it. If you didn't agree, which you clearly don't, that is fine.

I'm fucking sick and tired of guys that run these leagues thinking they and they alone know whats best, and never getting opinions from other people.

I sent a pm asking you to reconsider, but I'm pretty sure you won't. As such, here's a big FUCK YOU Spence. You are a shitty commish, and owner. If you don't get to make the rules, and pick your team, you can't do shit. I've pwned you in APBL since its inception, and I've passed you by in GABL. As such, I'll now get great pleasure out of the continuous ass whippings I'll be giving you in those two leagues.

You have an ego problem, one that you have no business having. You run a league with a bunch of 15/16 y/o's, and you think that somehow makes you special. Guess what, it doesn't. Wanna know why you always turn things around here? Because you have a built in advantage. Nobody else gets to see players specific ratings, but you do. Of course you know who to trade for, and who not to. Fucking cheater.

I'm out. I've got better things to do than argue with a guy that lives in SF, can't keep a real job, and in general, is an immature, ego-driven bastard.

Was this posted before or after you BEGGED to get back in over PM?

Youre a punk Jeremy and no one likes you(here or APBL). Shut up.

[SpursGM]

So back to the topic at hand...

what about being able to "bet" on games. i.e. real life sports... or just keep it to BBS games/playoff series etc. You risk losing points, but you can also luck out and win big.

spursgm said:

So back to the topic at hand...

what about being able to "bet" on games. i.e. real life sports... or just keep it to BBS games/playoff series etc. You risk losing points, but you can also luck out and win big.

Its hard enough as it is to keep track of the reward points totals. This will only make it worse.

If someone develops a plan, and helps with it, I may consider it though.

[SpursGM]

Well, I forget what league that it's in.. but the betting games are started by a player and the player is forced to keep track of the game points. Then, all he has to do is report the points to you, and you deduct or add based on whatever the result is. Really doesn't seem to much of a hassle imo... if you want... I can be the sole runner of these "events" and I'll be held responsible for keeping track of them.

[Lumley316kings]

Wow Jeremy got mad lol, well goodluck Jeremy I personally never had much of a beef at all with you and got along fine, sure he tried to get more in trades but shit who doesnt in this sim except for me lol.

[GMHornets]

I love digs at our age.

Jeremy is an idiot, hes proven it over and over again.