Det/Atl trade

[krupimpski424]

Detroit Sends: Chancey Billups, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Derek Smith, Detroit's 2015 first round pick, and Detroit's 2017 first round pick

Atlanta Sends: Rudy Gay, Josh Howard, Anderson Varejo


I think good trade all around for both teams. This gives me more flexability with my lineups with another solid big man and more depth at sf spots and maybe move gay in the sl who knows?

[C.C.]

and all along, i thought hawks future was with gay...

[Benderheart]

accept gives me another scoring option in billups and frees up alot of capspace. and gain two potential draft picks down the road

[Benderheart]

sad too see rudy gay go

[GMHornets]

Thank you Malick Badiane.

[Thunder]

First impressions: brutal.

wow.

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2 horrible deals in a row for the Hawks. Rare when I think about removal for bad deals, but this is making me think about it. Bender this makes no sense.

[krupimpski424]

spence i think you are being pretty harsh here

krupimpski424 said:

spence i think you are being pretty harsh here

I think perhaps you are being a little unbiased. Take a step back, and imagine this deal was going on between Aaron and Mark, or me and some new GM. This deal is compeltely unfair. If Atlanta wants cap space, thats questionable enough as is. But to trade Gay for essentially just cap space, and 2 bad 1sts is just horrible. You should be able to get expirings and a nice pick for Gay. Not expirings and crap picks.

[krupimpski424]

who says they will be crap? i will be rebuilding then kobe, jo, brand they will all be gone and i won't have any cap space to go out and get guys. I wouldn't say this deal is just for cap space either. Billups is a very solid player who can help his team get into the playoffs. Peja on the bench was a waste for him so now he moves into the starting lineup. Not to mention consideration of removal is harsh. I do not want to publicly call out any other GM's but there have been a few gm's who have made a few questionable moves and nothing is said. I been shopping Billups and few other players around for a bit now and I felt billups would fit nicely in Atl so we exchanged a few offers. He was intrigued by the large expiring and trying to gain cap space due to the fact he is in a monster division...its his strategy, not mine, not yours, not anyone elses. I am not saying I agree or disagree with it but its his choice and I think its only fair to let him try it and see how it works out. Bender is one of those kids who as much as it may appear he doesn't know what he is doing, he really does. He has an unorthodox way about doing things but thats his style it he is pretty successful with it.

krupimpski424 said:

who says they will be crap? i will be rebuilding then kobe, jo, brand they will all be gone and i won't have any cap space to go out and get guys. I wouldn't say this deal is just for cap space either. Billups is a very solid player who can help his team get into the playoffs. Peja on the bench was a waste for him so now he moves into the starting lineup. Not to mention consideration of removal is harsh. I do not want to publicly call out any other GM's but there have been a few gm's who have made a few questionable moves and nothing is said. I been shopping Billups and few other players around for a bit now and I felt billups would fit nicely in Atl so we exchanged a few offers. He was intrigued by the large expiring and trying to gain cap space due to the fact he is in a monster division...its his strategy, not mine, not yours, not anyone elses. I am not saying I agree or disagree with it but its his choice and I think its only fair to let him try it and see how it works out. Bender is one of those kids who as much as it may appear he doesn't know what he is doing, he really does. He has an unorthodox way about doing things but thats his style it he is pretty successful with it.

First off because Im the commish I get to question everyone. Why? Because in the end I am responsible for each team. I am the person that gets stuck with a crap franchise. I get stuck with trying to find a GM to take a crap franchise.

Secondly I threatened removal because I dont know what else I can do to make Bender understand that hes making bad moves. You dont just trade quality players for old expirings. If you rebuild, and go for expirings, Id say its expected that you get good picks as well. Especially for a talent like Gay.

Lastly, since when is trading a good player a good idea, when you dont even put him on a trade block? How do you know that someone wouldnt have given more for Gay, had all the GMs known he was available?

[Lakers GM]

Bender makes the effort to be quite active, and I think that should hold some value. However, the only reason I'm chiming in is that I talked to him a couple of days ago, and told him I could deal him Laimbeer potentially. The talks went nowhere. Just doesn't make sense that he did get offered Laimbeer and instead took expirings when he's a contender. He's a nice guy, and though it's a series of bad moves, I gotta wonder where if he wants to rebuild through the offseason. I've been in this position before, so I'm not in any place to attack him. Maybe it would make a lot of sense if he made moves to attain more cap space in the offseason. I'd say he should get a chance to rationalize these deals before anything happens.

[C.C.]

i wonder if bender took his time to find value for gay? the market is out there and all you have to do is ask.

aaronjh said:

Bender makes the effort to be quite active, and I think that should hold some value. However, the only reason I'm chiming in is that I talked to him a couple of days ago, and told him I could deal him Laimbeer potentially. The talks went nowhere. Just doesn't make sense that he did get offered Laimbeer and instead took expirings when he's a contender. He's a nice guy, and though it's a series of bad moves, I gotta wonder where if he wants to rebuild through the offseason. I've been in this position before, so I'm not in any place to attack him. Maybe it would make a lot of sense if he made moves to attain more cap space in the offseason. I'd say he should get a chance to rationalize these deals before anything happens.

Maybe make a post saying what his intentions are in his trade block? Maybe say Gay can be had if he can dump his bad contracts?

Once again, Im not saying he cant rebuild, Im saying hes not rebuilding well. And hes not getting good value in his rebuilding attempts.

Also, the fact that his last trade was as bad if not worse then this one, and he gets shit for it, and he still does this deal. It just makes me think he has no concept of how bad the deals are.

[Lakers GM]

admin said:

aaronjh said:

Bender makes the effort to be quite active, and I think that should hold some value. However, the only reason I'm chiming in is that I talked to him a couple of days ago, and told him I could deal him Laimbeer potentially. The talks went nowhere. Just doesn't make sense that he did get offered Laimbeer and instead took expirings when he's a contender. He's a nice guy, and though it's a series of bad moves, I gotta wonder where if he wants to rebuild through the offseason. I've been in this position before, so I'm not in any place to attack him. Maybe it would make a lot of sense if he made moves to attain more cap space in the offseason. I'd say he should get a chance to rationalize these deals before anything happens.

Maybe make a post saying what his intentions are in his trade block? Maybe say Gay can be had if he can dump his bad contracts?

Once again, Im not saying he cant rebuild, Im saying hes not rebuilding well. And hes not getting good value in his rebuilding attempts.

Yeah, I don't disagree

[krupimpski424]

admin said:

krupimpski424 said:

who says they will be crap? i will be rebuilding then kobe, jo, brand they will all be gone and i won't have any cap space to go out and get guys. I wouldn't say this deal is just for cap space either. Billups is a very solid player who can help his team get into the playoffs. Peja on the bench was a waste for him so now he moves into the starting lineup. Not to mention consideration of removal is harsh. I do not want to publicly call out any other GM's but there have been a few gm's who have made a few questionable moves and nothing is said. I been shopping Billups and few other players around for a bit now and I felt billups would fit nicely in Atl so we exchanged a few offers. He was intrigued by the large expiring and trying to gain cap space due to the fact he is in a monster division...its his strategy, not mine, not yours, not anyone elses. I am not saying I agree or disagree with it but its his choice and I think its only fair to let him try it and see how it works out. Bender is one of those kids who as much as it may appear he doesn't know what he is doing, he really does. He has an unorthodox way about doing things but thats his style it he is pretty successful with it.

First off because Im the commish I get to question everyone. Why? Because in the end I am responsible for each team. I am the person that gets stuck with a crap franchise. I get stuck with trying to find a GM to take a crap franchise.

Secondly I threatened removal because I dont know what else I can do to make Bender understand that hes making bad moves. You dont just trade quality players for old expirings. If you rebuild, and go for expirings, Id say its expected that you get good picks as well. Especially for a talent like Gay.

Lastly, since when is trading a good player a good idea, when you dont even put him on a trade block? How do you know that someone wouldnt have given more for Gay, had all the GMs known he was available?

i don't disagree with one thing you said there

[krupimpski424]

on a side note i loved the tmac deal he did

krupimpski424 said:

on a side note i loved the tmac deal he did

That deal was great. Branch and Gay are both as good as TMac now, so he obviously had a great deal there.

Im not trying to be a dick, but this deal is just bad. Ill allow you two to try and modify it, but more then that Id like Bender to put Gay in a trade block, saying he wants to deal Gay and his bad contracts for picks and expirings.

[krupimpski424]

no doubt...bender is mia right now and i am heading to work but we'll figure something out

[Mr Mojo Risin]

I remember when Spence gave me my first trade in after a bizzilion attempts, it felt like I won the olympics or something I was so proud of myself. A little off topic but I thought I would share do the occuerence of bad trades

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