Seattle/Atl/Denver Trade

[Benwallacedetroit3]

First trade is between Seattle and Atlanta
Seattle gets:
Tracy McGrady, Dirk Nowitzki, Zarko, Nardi, Warriors first round pick from '10

Atlanta gets:
Ben Wallace, Iverson, Harpring, Leavell



Second trade is between Denver and Atlanta
Atlanta gets:
Chris Kaman, Mychal Thompson, Tony Battie, Nuggets first round '10 pick

Denver gets:
Ben Wallace, Nuggets 09 first rounder

Nice dealing with you...good luck with it

[fall0utboy220]

accepted, time to re-build.

[AJBBall]

Accept

Atlanta doesnt own that 2010 1st. Trade is void till you guys fix it.

[Benwallacedetroit3]

Instead Atl trades '09 Phx 2nd round pick and '10 Pistons 2nd round pick to Seattle instead of the GSW 1st rounder

[djmyte]

Ouch

[fall0utboy220]

accepted

I'm re-building, deal with it.

[Benwallacedetroit3]

Atl keeps Suns pick...I just get Det

[AJBBall]

None of this deals with me, so whatever happens i will accept

djmyte said:

Ouch

ditto

ATL gets absolutely reamed in this deal. I hate vetoing trades, but its gotta be done in this case. Seattle and Denver come out smelling like a rose, but the ATL franchise becomes much worse.

Work on it some more, make it a little more even, and Ill reconsider.

[Benwallacedetroit3]

Throw in mine and Lakers '10 first rounders to Atl

Good start, thanks Aaron. Last 2 conditions....

1)Seattle also doesnt get the 2nd rounders.

2)There is no swap of 09 and 10 picks in the DEN/ATL trade. Maybe the 2nd rounders go to DEN instead, but ATL cant deal that 09 DEN pick so cheaply.

[Benwallacedetroit3]

That's fine with me not getting my second rounder, don't mind that....but I can't speak for AJ...AJ's whole team is hurt so he wants that 09 pick...he's getting a Nuggets 10 pick which gives him 3 2010 picks and a young guy in Thompson who's going to turn out to be a real good center and a big expiring deal for Kaman...Wallace is 34 anyway, it's not like he's a young guy.

In my estimation its expiring contracts and a good young center, for an older All Defense center. No need to swap picks.

[Benwallacedetroit3]

The only thing I'm guessing both of them would do is to deal the Sonics '10 pick to to Denver along with the '09 Nuggets pick for both '10 picks the Nuggets have....I don't even know if they'd do it but just an idea....curious to see what your idea would be for them to include the 09 Nuggets pick

This is how I see it.....

Atlanta can draft someone comparable to Mychal Thompson with the 09 Den pick.

The 10 Den pick IMO, is worth way less, since next year DEN will have Redd,RJ and Big Ben. To me thats a .500 team.....at least.

So, I think ATl should keep the 09, and then deal Ben for something else, if DEN is no longer interested.

Regardless, the final say goes to Anthony, and Im guessin there is some deal that can be done where he gets Ben and hes happy.

[Benwallacedetroit3]

Hey...I wanted to see what the deal was with the trade....I did my part in the trade, gave two picks, didn't take Det's pick so my deal goes through? Those two I'm guessing will work something out once they read this....so what happens now?

Didn't think this trade would get two pages worth of responses, lol.

Thanks

The only reason your trade wouldnt go through, is if because ATL cant deal Ben, he backs out of the deal with you. In actuality Im not really in favor of the deal for the ATL franchise, but it is more even now. I think we all know ATL could still get more then what youre offering for TMac and Dirk.

I need some kind of response from ATL to finish this deal up.

Should this deal go through? I want feedback from everyone. Is this deal fair? Could ATL get more? Im inclined to think ATL gets absolutely robbed, even with the extra picks added.

[djmyte]

Since opinions are being asked for... this deal makes absolutely no sense for Atl.

Atl trades two 30 year old superstars for two stars in their mid 30's, both with less value, then he shops those two seperately.

In the end it's...

Dirk + 09 first for Thompson + 10 first

and

Tmac for Ai

Either extremely stupid or extremely friendly.

[Lakers GM]

I don't see much logic to Atlanta doing this deal. The only definite building block they get is Thompson, which really is far too little in return for Dirk and TMac. Iverson is older than Dirk and McGrady and is less of a building block than either of those players. The premise of rebuilding is a youth movement, and dumping big contract, superstar players is fine. However, that's not the case here. Neither Dirk nor McGrady are in the twilight of their careers, and Atlanta isn't getting any value back that helps the rebuilding process. Even adding a couple of firsts doesn't justify it. Atlanta really gets nothing back, and I know it's tough coming from me in that spot as I immediately went into the rebuilding process, but it's an irrational move on the part of Atlanta; they're left with one old superstar instead of two younger ones, and less of a future. I don't mean to stick my neck in as if my say is any more important than anyone else's (in fact, it's probably less), but it's honestly just my two cents.

Im gonna bring up the LAL rebuilding process, before someone defending this deal does. I think LA has done a good job rebuilding. I dont agree with every deal, but I think moving players that are good, but old, like Shaq AI and Sheed was needed. The team was about as good as it was gonna get, and had little ammo to get better, and was barely above .500. The value of players like Shaq AI and Sheed is limited. They are very good, but they are older, and they are gonna decline soon. The market for these players is limited. Dirk and TMac on the other hand are at the apex of their career. They both have 3-5 more years at full ability.

If I had ATL, and I decided that trading Dirk or TMac was nescessary, I cannot imagine getting so little in return, as this deal gets. Managing a team is about first acquiring talent, or commodities, and then fine tuning individual areas. ATL is losing commodities quickly, and its a concern.

The fact that ATL hasnt even stepped up and defended himself makes me feel as though he doesnt belong in the league.

[gp21grimes]

I really did not wanna say anything because who am I to say what a another team should do, but since Spencer asked. I think the deal is not worth it for Atlanta. Sure they drop salary, but they do not invest in young players wisely, or at least the best possibly players that he can get for two marquee players. I want to say that I offered ATL a much better package for TMAC ALONE, but i mean thats not for me to discuss because its not fair. Either way, I feel the deal shouldnt go through but ATL has shown a great amount of interest and participation in the league so you cant deny his effort. Thats it.

The reason I opened this up for discussion is because I wanted to show that a majority of people think this deal not only favors SEA and DEN, but favors them greatly. Every response thus far has been unanimous.

[Thunder]

OK, all contributions wanted...

Bad deal for Atlanta. I made one trade with Atlanta during the building phase and really felt all the trades made at the time were positive ones. Each worked to increase talent or strong trade commodities. Moving into a rebuilding phase, the focus should remain basically the same, but towards a definite PLAN. This trade does not add value, nor does it build strong trade pieces.

This is a poor trade for Atlanta.

Through all of this, no comment from ATL. Pretty dissapointing.

[XTCICE123]

Do not like this trade at all. T-Mac or Dirk for AI I'm fine with but to deal one of those superstars for Ben Wallace?!?! Big Ben is awsome but dosen't do nearly what T-Mac or Dirk does. Then what happens? Ben Wallace is then dealt?!?! Dirk, and T-Mac esentially being dealt for AI, Kaman, Thompson and picks?!?!
WTF is going on here!!!!

[fall0utboy220]

Reason for trading Tmac and Dirk. I was not winnning with them, I'm 17-24 with 2 star players plus Tony Parker and I felt like I should've just started ot re-build. Nobody likes the trade, but I planned on trading AI for good young scorer at the 2.