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Post by NYKnicksGM on Oct 4, 2005 23:56:08 GMT -5
Am I the only one bothered by seeing all these trades involving teams trading players for salary purposes then having them cut and re-signed to their original teams? Its not a big deal if its a veteran minimum guy, but ive been seeing it happen recently with some larger contracts, and even multi-yr deals. I dont know if we should make a rule to prevent these from happening, but it just doesnt seem right to me. Agree? Disagree?
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Post by AJBBall on Oct 5, 2005 0:30:50 GMT -5
If they are willing to take the cap hit well then there prolly isnt too much more that can be done.
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Post by djmyte on Oct 5, 2005 1:09:17 GMT -5
Trading, cutting and resigning has always been allowed so it could be argued that it would be unfair to suddenly not allow it. I've never been a fan of it as I prefer realism but it happens so I just have to live with it.
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Post by on Oct 5, 2005 10:33:20 GMT -5
Its done to encourage trading. I am sometimes bothered by the process, and have thought many times about not allowing cuts and resigns during trades, or trades where players go back and forth for cap purposes. It would make the league more realistic, but I wont change the rule unless a majority of GMs want it.
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Post by gdftony on Oct 5, 2005 12:29:22 GMT -5
i dont particularily like the idea
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Post by Lakers GM on Oct 5, 2005 13:36:47 GMT -5
It's realistic, too. In order to make trades doable, NBA teams often take on bigger contracts and are willing to take the cap hit. Two recent instances are Dale Davis and Antonio Davis. I think it comes with the activity aspect of sim leagues. If there were equal trade activity in the NBA, there'd be equal usage of this loophole.
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Post by SpursGM on Oct 5, 2005 15:53:28 GMT -5
How is it "not realistic?" Granted... it doesn't happen as often in the NBA as it does here... but like the guy above said... examples the Davis' trades... Gary Payton being cut by Atlanta after being traded from Boston only to be re-signed to Boston being the most recent to my memory.
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Post by gdftony on Oct 5, 2005 16:21:13 GMT -5
yeah it happens once in awhile though, thats what the "non-realistic" guy is trying to say. it happen maybe once out of 30 trades in the NBA.
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Post by rommie on Oct 5, 2005 16:27:02 GMT -5
How is it "not realistic?" Granted... it doesn't happen as often in the NBA as it does here... but like the guy above said... examples the Davis' trades... Gary Payton being cut by Atlanta after being traded from Boston only to be re-signed to Boston being the most recent to my memory. NBA teams are more cap cauitious. BBS is not. For example in a recent Spurs/Lakers trade the Lakers cut Troy Murphy so the Spurs can re-sign him. Murphy is making what? Like 8 million dollars? That is a pretty hard cap hit to take. Also, correct me if i'm wrong but Gary Payton didn't really want to be with Atlanta and there was no guarantte that he would sign back with the Boston Celtics. Also, when Dale Davis was traded from the Warriors to the Hornets the Horents cut him so he could go to a winner [which he did, my Pacers.  ], not back to the Warriors. |
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Post by Lakers GM on Oct 5, 2005 16:30:38 GMT -5
How is it "not realistic?" Granted... it doesn't happen as often in the NBA as it does here... but like the guy above said... examples the Davis' trades... Gary Payton being cut by Atlanta after being traded from Boston only to be re-signed to Boston being the most recent to my memory. NBA teams are more cap cauitious. BBS is not. For example in a recent Spurs/Lakers trade the Lakers cut Troy Murphy so the Spurs can re-sign him. Murphy is making what? Like 8 million dollars? That is a pretty hard cap hit to take. Also, correct me if i'm wrong but Gary Payton didn't really want to be with Atlanta and there was no guarantte that he would sign back with the Boston Celtics. Also, when Dale Davis was traded from the Warriors to the Hornets the Horents cut him so he could go to a winner [which he did, my Pacers. ], not back to the Warriors. It doesn't matter where the player ends up, it's the principle of taking the salary hit just to execute a trade, which happens in the NBA just like it does here. |
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Post by rommie on Oct 5, 2005 16:37:38 GMT -5
NBA teams are more cap cauitious. BBS is not. For example in a recent Spurs/Lakers trade the Lakers cut Troy Murphy so the Spurs can re-sign him. Murphy is making what? Like 8 million dollars? That is a pretty hard cap hit to take. Also, correct me if i'm wrong but Gary Payton didn't really want to be with Atlanta and there was no guarantte that he would sign back with the Boston Celtics. Also, when Dale Davis was traded from the Warriors to the Hornets the Horents cut him so he could go to a winner [which he did, my Pacers. ], not back to the Warriors. It doesn't matter where the player ends up, it's the principle of taking the salary hit just to execute a trade, which happens in the NBA just like it does here. In the NBA when those players are cut the team has a choice to cut them. It is not a part of the trade most of the time. In the BBS we cut players to get a trade done and therefore usually take a good hit salary cap. |
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Post by GMHornets on Oct 5, 2005 16:40:32 GMT -5
It doesn't matter where the player ends up, it's the principle of taking the salary hit just to execute a trade, which happens in the NBA just like it does here. In the NBA when those players are cut the team has a choice to cut them. It is not a part of the trade most of the time. Eh, most of the time it is. And the reason that you see it more often in the BBS as opposed to the NBA is because of the massive amount of trades in the BBS compared to the NBA. Not too hard to see. |
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Post by d2acollectables on Oct 5, 2005 18:49:11 GMT -5
i vote to keep it the way that it is
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Post by loaf on Oct 5, 2005 21:20:37 GMT -5
Meh, either way is fine with me
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Post by djmyte on Oct 6, 2005 17:39:42 GMT -5
It's not realistic in the sense that the players that are cut can go anywhere they want to in real life. In the sim, trades are made with the understanding that one of or both teams are guaranteed to resign the players that will be cut. This isn't the case in the real world and that is how it is unrealistic.
It's not just the cuts either. It's the multiple trades that include the swapping of players, back and forth, in order to make salaries match. This is probably worse than the "cutting".
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Post by on Oct 6, 2005 17:46:40 GMT -5
It's not realistic in the sense that the players that are cut can go anywhere they want to in real life. In the sim, trades are made with the understanding that one of or both teams are guaranteed to resign the players that will be cut. This isn't the case in the real world and that is how it is unrealistic. It's not just the cuts either. It's the multiple trades that include the swapping of players, back and forth, in order to make salaries match. This is probably worse than the "cutting". This is also the unrealistic part. You cant make 5 trades to make 1 trade work in the NBA. |
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Post by on Oct 9, 2005 22:53:08 GMT -5
Im thinking of maybe enforcing a 24 hour period after a cut. Much like waivers, where GMs can claim players, with the player going to the worst team. Unlike waivers, the new contract would be a 1yr MIN.
Thoughts?
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Post by djmyte on Oct 9, 2005 22:54:33 GMT -5
I like it.
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Post by Lumley316kings on Oct 9, 2005 23:39:18 GMT -5
Very good idea, we do that in are baseball sims, by the way that would have helped me alot when I sucked lol.
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Post by Lakers GM on Oct 10, 2005 0:04:12 GMT -5
McDonalds. I'm lovin' it.
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Post by GMHornets on Oct 10, 2005 11:21:41 GMT -5
Yeah Lumley your team blew.
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